Hi Sophia, back in business now, many thanks for all your help. I downloaded the Ultimate Trend Indicator and have 14 days to test it with Indices. I'm almost out of time with the Ultimate Trade Manager though and I've barely had time to touch it with the server problems and my not having the indicator to go with it. I don't suppose it would be possible to reset my trial on it so I have a full 14 days to check things out? Only if it's not a load of grief for you of course. Thanks again for the excellent support. Cheers!